Champion Hurdle 2010

[Posts: 2663Joined: 08 Apr 2009, 03:03]

Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can't judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It's possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.

It's not a jibe, just a fact.

Does have it's good points though, very competitive, open looking.

Gingertipster : Every single Go Native fan glosses over Voler's win yet all call the Fighting Fifth Sprint a legitimate piece of form, I doubt if there's all that much between Donnas Palm and Go Native...except value.
of course Solwhit has the best form.
Re Irish 2nd XI....any team minus half it's stars would be considered "the reserves"

I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He's not just a sprinter he's already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he'll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that's the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he's under a cloud......or at least he supposed to be.

As far as Voler's win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn't right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he'll do the same in the Champion.

If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.

[Posts: 897Joined: 26 Nov 2009, 09:44]

Punjabi has done nothing to say he is as good as he was and I can't see him possibly winning again even if he is.
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This race promised so much at the start of the season but now is is such a mess anything could win it.

Analysis looking a bit confused there. He looked electric in his prep, name a few others who did?

Fwiw I agree with Won In The Dark, e/w @ 100/1, but will only get 3rd if a few have had problems, a poor prep or don't run....oh wait...

Punjabi
Go Native
Won In The Dark.

Easy (ha)

[Posts: 729Joined: 30 Oct 2007, 14:08]

Lets not get too carried away in rubbishing this years race - we've got last seasons Champion, Champion Novice, and Champion Juvenile. We've got last seasons 3rd placed horse returning. Despite some of the comments above, we've surely got a worthy favourite in the form of last seasons Supreme winner, who has gone on to stylishly win both the Christmas Hurdle and Fighting Fifth.

We've lost last seasons 2nd who has looked regressive all season anyway, for whatever reason. We've lost Solwhit who's best form is arguably either in the mud or over further. We've lost Hurrican Fly, who admittedly could have been anything, but has achieved relatively little.

Still a good looking field in my opinion, the 'cruising' styles of both Starluck and Go Native add to the lustre of the race for me, i love watching that type of horse run.

[Posts: 1819Joined: 07 Jan 2010, 15:53]

Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can't judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It's possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.

It's not a jibe, just a fact.

Does have it's good points though, very competitive, open looking.

Gingertipster : Every single Go Native fan glosses over Voler's win yet all call the Fighting Fifth Sprint a legitimate piece of form, I doubt if there's all that much between Donnas Palm and Go Native...except value.
of course Solwhit has the best form.
Re Irish 2nd XI....any team minus half it's stars would be considered "the reserves"

I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He's not just a sprinter he's already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he'll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that's the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he's under a cloud......or at least he supposed to be.

As far as Voler's win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn't right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he'll do the same in the Champion.

If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.

Check what I said again, which was the Newcastle sprint didn't suit Solwhit, not that Go Native needs a slow run race, nor that he probably deserves to be favourite.
More to the point... as Solwhit is out of the equation... there is probably not much between Donnas Palm and Go Native.
PS Having just read in the moning paper that some idiot on betfair as laid 999-1 Binocular to £52, that's now the horse I'd REALLY like to see win, (not that I'll be backing it though unless anyone offers me 999-1) what makes anyone risk so much for so little???? That's sh*t for brains

[Posts: 3289Joined: 18 Sep 2006, 15:47Location: County Down]

We've lost last seasons 2nd who has looked regressive all season anyway, for whatever reason.

Celestial Halo's out?

I do reckon its a good race though. Dont think anything is out of the race that looked home and hosed so I couldnt really say it is a weak race, but cleaerly a few horses who have their supporters arent lining up, most importantly Solwhit looking dodgy to start after being favorite a matter of days ago, but looking at the race theres nothing that suggests it's weak. Open maybe, weak no.

Think this will be a good race.

[Posts: 729Joined: 30 Oct 2007, 14:08]

Ok smart [expletive], i have clearly confused the 2nd and 3rd from last seasons blanket finish - give yourself a gold star!

[Posts: 3289Joined: 18 Sep 2006, 15:47Location: County Down]

Ok smart [expletive], i have clearly confused the 2nd and 3rd from last seasons blanket finish - give yourself a gold star!

I actually had to go and check the markets PC, wasnt sure if i'd missed something, besides all the talk is that Binocular is looking likely to make it now, and mccoy has released an upbeat statement about him on sportinglife site today. So its not that bad a race.

[Posts: 729Joined: 30 Oct 2007, 14:08]

I agree wholeheartedly - the negativity surrounding the race from some on here is OTT in my opinion.

[Posts: 1397Joined: 08 Jul 2009, 22:10Location: Wexford]

[quote="Fist"]I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He's not just a sprinter he's already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he'll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that's the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he's under a cloud......or at least he supposed to be.

As far as Voler's win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has [expletive] for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn't right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he'll do the same in the Champion.

If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.[/quote]


I'd be very surprised if he kicked as early as last year. I see it like this: if Go Native travels as well as he has been doing in all his races and cruises into the straight, Carberry can sit untill after the last before accelerating past whatever is towing him along, Harchibaldesque. Except this lad WILL accelerate in a way Harchi couldn't.

[Posts: 3701Joined: 21 Oct 2008, 00:37]

This years Champion hurdle will be an absolute cracker, anyone doubting that knows sweet F,A about horse racing!That bloody Binocular is still the biggest threat to all!

[Posts: 3701Joined: 21 Oct 2008, 00:37]

I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway and i bet they got caught with their pants down big time! Uimhiracethair is the same price for the RSA now its a Non runner! It might do a Forpady and a Binocular and still run mind! Somebodys playing the system me thinks!

[Posts: 1819Joined: 07 Jan 2010, 15:53]

I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway

Exactly my point and I'm suprised you feel sorry for them, they were effectively "bookmakers" trying to steal punters cash on a non runner
Considering the slagging I got for having three EW doubles and an EW treble up and getting some punters money back off the bookies, got called "an each way theif" etc, surely we shouldn't sympathise with these "ante post theives"

I agree the race should be a cracker with no outstanding runner, I'm expecting a bunch of Irish horses jumping the last all well in contention (Go Native included) but after much deliberation my cash will be going on DONNAS PALM, EW of course, take out his "gone missing period" last year, the only horses to have ever beaten him are Hurricane Fly, Mikael D'Hageunet, Rite Of Passage (Flat) and Solwhit. Not a bad bunch of horse?



...and maybe with a tiny EW saver on Won In The Dark although he looks well held by Donnas on their running behind Solwhit

[Posts: 3701Joined: 21 Oct 2008, 00:37]

What will p*ss these people off is the fact you have to have the funds in your account to lay £52 at 999/1,the guy might have only had £52,001 in it,now its empty.pending the result!!

[Posts: 1819Joined: 07 Jan 2010, 15:53]

What will p*ss these people off is the fact you have to have the funds in your account to lay £52 at 999/1,the guy might have only had £52,001 in it,now its empty.pending the result!!

I imagine he'll have kept enough cash back to buy several changes of underwear which I'm sure he'll need in the unlikely event of Binocular being alongside The Irish contingent at the last

[Posts: 65Joined: 11 Sep 2009, 14:23Location: Derbyshire]

I actually sympathise with those who laid Binocular at 999/1, as in 99% of these cases the horse is a non runner anyway

Exactly my point and I'm suprised you feel sorry for them, they were effectively "bookmakers" trying to steal punters cash on a non runner
Considering the slagging I got for having three EW doubles and an EW treble up and getting some punters money back off the bookies, got called "an each way theif" etc, surely we shouldn't sympathise with these "ante post theives"

I very much doubt that's the case, people generally aren't laying non runners at 999/1 to make money it's usually the big players balancing their markets and getting liquidity back into their accounts.