Classic Winners - Owners Colours

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Hilly Way blue white slvs pink cap - courtesy of the 1979 Daily Express Grand National pullout ; fortunately they printed the colours for all televised races that day. Presume they were the same in '78.

saved the pullouts since childhood - told the wife they'd come in handy one day.

[Posts: 34Joined: 04 Dec 2009, 17:41]

Just in case anybody is still interested(!) - Henry Aubert - french owner of Puissant Chef (and Le Bavard second to Sagaro in 1975 Ascot Gold Cup) colours were:

BLACK, RED SLEEVES, YELLOW CAP

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Ile De Bourbon , were you watching Cheltenham today - a "flashback" that showed Inkslinger winning back in the 70's.

Black White V , sleeves & cap

how are you getting on ?

[Posts: 4677Joined: 05 Dec 2008, 01:34Location: Ashford]

It was due to Inkslinger that I accidentally found out about Royal Academy becoming a chef-de-race.

[Only saw Inkslinger for a few seconds, but I thought the sleeves were black with white armlets?] The V would officially be described as a chevron?

Looked at Ile De Bourbon's thread on page 2 or 3 of this section, but Inkslinger wasn't mentioned there. Decided to google one of his Arc horses, opened the CdR site, and had a nose about.

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Hi Gerald , you were right , it's a while since I've posted so must have got over-excited !!

Black White chevron , armlets & cap.

I de B. was chasing the following :-

Gold Cup
1972 Glencaraig Lady 1972 Gold Cup (owner Patrick Doyle)

King George
1961 Right Royal 1961 King George (Mrs Jean Couturié)

Champion Chase

1973 Inkslinger Champion Chase 1973 (Mrs M. Jenney
1966 Flying Bolt Champion Chase 1966 (Jean Wilkinson)
1959 Quita Que Champion Chase 1959 (Mrs D. R. Brand)

Arc
1960 Puissant Chef 1960 Arc (Henry Aubert)
1961 Molvedo 1961 Arc (Egidio Verga)
1957 Oroso 1957 Arc (Raoul Meyer)
1954 Sica Boy 1954 Arc (Mrs Jean Cochery)


Regards
I.

[Posts: 34Joined: 04 Dec 2009, 17:41]

Thanks guys, sorry I haven't been back on for a while - the info regarding Inkslinger is great, but I have just discovered (from an old racecard) the colours were as you say but with PINK not white - actually they had a pink sash as well - so BLACK, PINK sash armlets and cap.(Mrs M Jenney)

still tracking the others I mentioned, so if you are still lost for something to investigate......

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Nice to see you back I de B.

Am still looking for your "missing" ones - will get there eventually.

Still trying to find something else to fill my time. Backing winners sure isn't a successful alternative at the minute.

Cheers

[Posts: 82Joined: 22 Jun 2010, 00:44]

Hi there

Just joined this forum having found this excellent thread.

Like several on here I too am an anorak of colours.

I have loads I am missing so will in time post them here.

To kick off with some help though my understanding is Glencaraig Lady carried red, red and blue striped sleeves with a quartered cap.

Inkslinger wore Black, White inverted Triangle, black slvs, white armlets and cap.

Right Royal - White, purple hoops on body, white slvs purple cap.

Flying Bolt - Oxford Blue, orange hoop, and cap, black slvs.

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Hi Ivanjica , welcome. Will be only too glad to help if I can.

[Posts: 82Joined: 22 Jun 2010, 00:44]

Thanks Isinglass (great name btw!). I have chosen the name of the filly who when you look at a playback of her race won the Arc from an impossible position and possibly was never accorded the credit she deserved.

Topically I notice from the footage of the 1970s the Wertheimer silks seemed to have been navy blue then, whereas now they are clearly royal blue - any idea if that was a deliberate change or simply poor quality of old footage?

Moving swiftly on, bizarrely I cannot get the Mrs Howell E Jackson silks anywhere apart from a guess at the France Galop site (she of Nasram and Tambourine fame) - the French site has "Succession Mme Howell E Jackson" as C Grenat T Mauve - so basically dark red and mauve cap - is this correct?

I have plenty of other gaps but I am trying to complete the Eclipse currently and I am stuck on:

1906 - Llangibby, L Neumann
1907 - Lally, W B Purefoy
1912 - Prince Palatine, T Pilkington
1913 - Tracery, A Belmont
1933 - Loaningdale, G Wilson
1948 - Petition, Sir A Butt
1963 - Khalkis,Lord Elvedon
1966 - Pieces of Eight, Comtesse De La Valdene

For the King George I am missing 1951 - Supreme Court, Mrs T Lilley. And maybe Howell E Jackson??

It was interesting also to see with the Eclipse not far away the famous old colours of Seamus McGrath (owner of Weaver's Hall) being carried in the 6.40 tonight at Ballinrobe - I am guessing Joseph M McGrath is a son/grandson? And indeed Wollow's colours in the 6.50 at Newbury! Having said that I was told that Carlo D'Alessio had bequeathed the silks to Marco Botti's dad which now appear as Dioscuri Srl so I was surprised to see them crop up in today's RP - notice the silks on the RP Site are different so maybe it was an error?

Anyway, that enough for now - once the Eclipse is nailed I have a lot of Arc's and Irish Derby's to nail!

[Posts: 81Joined: 22 Apr 2009, 21:06]

Although I have been reluctant to post on this forum since another member made a scathing comment about me I feel bounden to help with Supreme Court's colours. They were scarlet with a white V at the front & a white cap. There is a colour picture of him on The Sport Horse Database.

[Posts: 82Joined: 22 Jun 2010, 00:44]

Although I have been reluctant to post on this forum since another member made a scathing comment about me I feel bounden to help with Supreme Court's colours. They were scarlet with a white V at the front & a white cap. There is a colour picture of him on The Sport Horse Database.

Thanks Crepello, thats really useful. Upon initial inspection I thought they are identical to the colours carried by Vera Hue-Williams owned horses (eg English Prince) and after a bit more digging discovered Mrs T Lilley became Mrs V Hue-Williams following the death of Thomas Lilley her 2nd husband, and heir to the Lilley & Skinner shoe empire! Following his death she then married Roger Hue-Williams who both raced horses in their own name, his colours carried on Altesse Royale effectively the reverse of hers.

That website you gave Crepello is good - if you search Nonoalco there is a colour photo of the Boutin colt in which I reckon the cap appears to be quartered (grey and pink) rather than just pink which we have all assumed it to be up until now.

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Hi Ivanjica , agree that the Wertheimer blue does seem to have "lightened" with time. Also have a revised opinion of Nonoalco's cap but have only changed from a plain pink cap to a plain grey - will stumble across the answer some time .

here's some I got from a set og Ogdens cigarette cards from 1906.

Neumann white black hooped slvs ( or maybe armlet ) white cap

Purefoy light blue & black hoops light blue cap

Belmont Red body Maroon slvs Black cap

Sir Alfred Butt's are Yellow Blue graduated hoops Blue cap

Howell Jackson I got Dark Red Mauve cap

Good to be back searching again !!
Cheers

[Posts: 52Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 20:59]

Crepello

stick with us please - don't know who had a go at you or about what , couldn't find it on this thread which is all I was concerned about.

nice to be in contact with similar minded fans ( or anoraks if you prefer ) good to have something to occupy us with until we are able to draw our pensions at 75 !!

[Posts: 82Joined: 22 Jun 2010, 00:44]

Crepello

stick with us please - don't know who had a go at you or about what , couldn't find it on this thread which is all I was concerned about.

nice to be in contact with similar minded fans ( or anoraks if you prefer ) good to have something to occupy us with until we are able to draw our pensions at 75 !!

Hear hear. Forums are riddled with morons, this thread is brilliant - and full of measured and informed stuff, you especially Crepello.So do not be put off by idiots please.

Thanks Isinglass - do you own the cards out of interest or fonud them on internet searches - I have found a lot from such searches I must confess.

Glad you concur with the Howell Jackson ones!! I noticed that I am missing T Pilkington and just realised surely that is Thomas Pilkington is it not - ie the red, green stripled sleeves and qtd cap? As in pg 228 of the B&H softback edition???

The Comtesse's silks are gonna prove really elusive!!!!