Islamic radicals 'infiltrate' the Labour Party

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By ANdrew Gilligan in the Sunday Telegraph

A Labour minister says his party has been infiltrated by a fundamentalist Muslim group that wants to create an “Islamic social and political order” in Britain.
The Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE) — which believes in jihad and sharia law, and wants to turn Britain and Europe into an Islamic state — has placed sympathisers in elected office and claims, correctly, to be able to achieve “mass mobilisation” of voters.
Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, Jim Fitzpatrick, the Environment Minister, said the IFE had become, in effect, a secret party within Labour and other political parties.
"They are acting almost as an entryist organisation, placing people within the political parties, recruiting members to those political parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can exercise political influence and power, whether it’s at local government level or national level,” he said.
“They are completely at odds with Labour’s programme, with our support for secularism.”
Mr Fitzpatrick, the MP for Poplar and Canning Town, said the IFE had infiltrated and “corrupted” his party in east London in the same way that the far-Left Militant Tendency did in the 1980s. Leaked Labour lists show a 110 per cent rise in party membership in one constituency in two years

In a six-month investigation by this newspaper and Channel 4’s Dispatches, involving weeks of covert filming by the programme’s reporters:
* IFE activists boasted to the undercover reporters that they had already “consolidated … a lot of influence and power” over Tower Hamlets, a London borough council with a £1 billion budget.
* We have established that the group and its allies were awarded more than £10 million of taxpayers’ money, much of it from government funds designed to “prevent violent extremism”.
* IFE leaders were recorded expressing opposition to democracy, support for sharia law or mocking black people. The IFE organised meetings with extremists, including Taliban allies, a man named by the US government as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and a man under investigation by the FBI for his links to the September 11 attacks.
* Moderate Muslims in London told how the IFE and its allies were enforcing their hardline views on the rest of the local community, curbing behaviour they deemed “un-Islamic”. The owner of a dating agency received a threatening email from an IFE activist, warning her to close it.
* George Galloway, a London MP, admitted in recordings obtained by this newspaper that his surprise victory in the 2005 election owed more to the IFE “than it would be wise – for them – for me to say, adding that they played a “decisive role” in his triumph at the polls.
Mr Galloway now says they were one of many groups which supported his anti-war stance and had never sought to influence him.
The IFE has particularly close links to Tower Hamlets council. Seven serving and former councillors said Lutfur Rahman, the current council leader, gained his post with the group’s help.
Some said they were canvassed by a senior IFE official on his behalf. After Mr Rahman was elected, a man with close links to the group, Lutfur Ali, was appointed assistant chief executive of the council with responsibility for grant funding
This was despite a chequered employment record, a misleading CV and a negative report from the headhunters appointed to consider the candidates. The council’s white chief executive was subsequently forced from his post.
Since Mr Rahman became leader, more council grants have been paid to a number of organisations which our investigation established are closely linked to the IFE.
Funding for other, secular groups was ended or cut. In the borough’s well-known Brick Lane area, council funds were switched from a largely secular heritage trail to a highly controversial “hijab sculpture”, angering many residents who accused the council of “religious triumphalism”.
Schools in Tower Hamlets are told by the council should close for the Muslim festival of Eid, even where most of their pupils are not Muslim.
Mr Rahman refused to deny that an IFE activist had canvassed councillors on his behalf. He said: “There are various people across Tower Hamlets who get excited, who get involved.”
He would not comment on concerns about infiltration, saying they were “party matters”. He said: “If you look at our flagship policies, like investing £20 million to tackle overcrowding, you can see that we are working for everyone.”
The IFE said it did not seek to influence the council and had not lobbied for Mr Rahman. “If anything, existing members of the Labour Party have joined the IFE, rather than the other way round,” it said.
The group insisted it was not a fundamentalist or extremist organisation and did not support violence.

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I could've told everyone this ages ago but no-one would've listened I'd have just got the "racist" nonsense which is an easy and automatic attack from anyone that does not see what politicians have done to and are continuing to do to this country.

The UK will be an Islamic country within the next thirty or forty years unless the tide of immigration is not only halted but to an extent also reversed.

There is only one party that will do this (BNP) the others aren't interested in anything but the EU and fethering their own nests they know exactly what they are doing to the UK none of it is by accident.

Of course they control the media, the press and the education system and people have been drip fed lies and to be frank utter rubbish day in, day out for years and years now. If you are told something every day by enough people unless you are extremely strong minded you are going to end up believing it.

There is no longer any difference between Tory and Labour they are all marxists. Thirty years ago Labour and Tory detested each other now they sing from the same hymn sheets, democracy is dead in the UK and everyone is "sick and evil" unless they agree with globalisation and a fully integrated world which can never peacefully exist because the fundamentals of Islam is totally opposite to the freedom of the Western World. Women fought for freedom and equality, god help them in thirty to forty years time they will wonder why they bothered.

[Posts: 1550Joined: 03 Jan 2004, 19:43Location: north west]

Well Ian, I agree with your first statement about the knee-jerk "racist" comment.

[Posts: 494Joined: 29 Sep 2009, 23:37Location: Manchester]

Labour are Marxists? No no no, the word you're looking for is 'fascists'.

[Posts: 245Joined: 17 Nov 2009, 01:13Location: Virginia]

I could've told everyone this ages ago but no-one would've listened I'd have just got the "racist" nonsense which is an easy and automatic attack from anyone that does not see what politicians have done to and are continuing to do to this country.

The UK will be an Islamic country within the next thirty or forty years unless the tide of immigration is not only halted but to an extent also reversed.

There is only one party that will do this (BNP) the others aren't interested in anything but the EU and fethering their own nests they know exactly what they are doing to the UK none of it is by accident.

Of course they control the media, the press and the education system and people have been drip fed lies and to be frank utter rubbish day in, day out for years and years now. If you are told something every day by enough people unless you are extremely strong minded you are going to end up believing it.

There is no longer any difference between Tory and Labour they are all marxists. Thirty years ago Labour and Tory detested each other now they sing from the same hymn sheets, democracy is dead in the UK and everyone is "sick and evil" unless they agree with globalisation and a fully integrated world which can never peacefully exist because the fundamentals of Islam is totally opposite to the freedom of the Western World. Women fought for freedom and equality, god help them in thirty to forty years time they will wonder why they bothered.

Why does the BNP also rail against Hindus, Sikhs, Eastern Europeans and any other immigrant group, none of which have any intention of creating an Islamic theocracy?

[Posts: 1197Joined: 26 Apr 2008, 10:28]

I could've told everyone this ages ago but no-one would've listened I'd have just got the "racist" nonsense which is an easy and automatic attack from anyone that does not see what politicians have done to and are continuing to do to this country.

The UK will be an Islamic country within the next thirty or forty years unless the tide of immigration is not only halted but to an extent also reversed.

There is only one party that will do this (BNP) the others aren't interested in anything but the EU and fethering their own nests they know exactly what they are doing to the UK none of it is by accident.

Of course they control the media, the press and the education system and people have been drip fed lies and to be frank utter rubbish day in, day out for years and years now. If you are told something every day by enough people unless you are extremely strong minded you are going to end up believing it.

There is no longer any difference between Tory and Labour they are all marxists. Thirty years ago Labour and Tory detested each other now they sing from the same hymn sheets, democracy is dead in the UK and everyone is "sick and evil" unless they agree with globalisation and a fully integrated world which can never peacefully exist because the fundamentals of Islam is totally opposite to the freedom of the Western World. Women fought for freedom and equality, god help them in thirty to forty years time they will wonder why they bothered.

Why does the BNP also rail against Hindus, Sikhs, Eastern Europeans and any other immigrant group, none of which have any intention of creating an Islamic theocracy?

They don't not entirely anyway.

Lets be clear about something I am no BNP member or activist or anything like that. Just making that point before anyone suggests as much.

The "main" parties hate the BNP and they will do anything to stop them but the reason for this isn't because of race its because the BNP are totally opposite in that they are nationalists as opposed to "internationalists" and of course they will pull Britain completely out of the EU. Labour / Tory know that the more power the BNP get the more the BNP will uncover the lies, deception and corruption that has been rife within the establishment for years. There will be a number of politicians past and present that will face trial and end up in prison. If you listen to what the BNP say this is evident. BNP researchers have already come up against a brick wall in trying to gain access to certain EU files that they wanted to view.

The BNP actually have an alliance with Sikhs so the popular notion that the BNP hate everything non white English is total nonsense as is it that everyone non white English would be shipped out of the country. If you read their policies (and I read every partys policies) it is clearly stated that there will be a voluntary repatriation policy employed (which has infact been in place since the early 1970's but never used) and all illegals and criminal immigrents would automatically be deported. Other "foreigners" are welcome to remain in the UK regardles of creed or colour as long as the accept the ways and laws of the UK.

The BNP believe (as I do) that the indigenous population of a native homeland have an automatic right to be the majority peoples in their own land. There is nothing wrong with this despite the bleatings of the left wing. Infact the United Nations laws (which have been totally ignored) cite the right of the indigenous people of a homeland to live together under their own laws and within their own culture and to be the prominant peoples in their own land. Not surprisingly this isn't common knowledge.

British people are going to have to make a choice Freedom or Islam that is the bottom line burying heads in the sand won't make the issue go away and anyone that says "it won't / can't happen" I'm afraid is doing exactly that. As much as anything when there are as many Islamics in the UK as there are "English" they can democratically vote for whatever they like and that is providing they don't already have things changed from within and as they are leaking into not only the Labour party but Conservatives also it doesn't take a great deal of immagination to work out the dangers.

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What a load of [expletive]....

[Posts: 1197Joined: 26 Apr 2008, 10:28]

What a load of [expletive]....

Which part?

[Posts: 1197Joined: 26 Apr 2008, 10:28]

Acouple more points just to be clear :

a) I am not ante immigration. I believe in immigration but limmitted and controlled immigration. It is out of control now.

b) I have nothing against Islam as a way of life. People are entitled to live by whatever they believe and if people want to live by the laws of Islam that is upto them. However you cannot have Western freedom and Islam side by side because there have to be laws and Islam and Western freedom are incompatible.

[Posts: 245Joined: 17 Nov 2009, 01:13Location: Virginia]

Wouldn't the "indigenous" people of the UK be Celts?

Maybe the reason why most Americans seem to accept immigrants more readily is that at least three-fourths of our population is only a few generations removed from immigrants. My great-grandparents all arrived at Ellis Island from Lithuania and Russia. So we lack the whole idea of "American-ness" (or Britishness) as something only applicable to a sole group of people with a single uniform culture. By antagonizing Muslims, all the BNP is doing is encouraging further support for radical ideas. Assimilation should be encouraged, but not at the expense of losing one's heritage and traditions-that is the concern of many 1st-gen immigrants about their children. Really, I think the idea of some huge Islamist threat is a boogeyman designed to concentrate anger at the state of the economy ("they're taking are jobs!"), the government ("support [insert politician/party here] if you want to get rid of them!"), and the changes occuring in society as a whole ("real [Brits/French/Americans] do this, not that, that's scary and foreign"). Solving the underlying problems will do a lot more to prevent a fringe group from taking hold than any xenophobic legislation.

[Posts: 245Joined: 17 Nov 2009, 01:13Location: Virginia]

Acouple more points just to be clear :

a) I am not ante immigration. I believe in immigration but limmitted and controlled immigration. It is out of control now.

b) I have nothing against Islam as a way of life. People are entitled to live by whatever they believe and if people want to live by the laws of Islam that is upto them. However you cannot have Western freedom and Islam side by side because there have to be laws and Islam and Western freedom are incompatible.

Turkey seems to have figured it out.

[Posts: 1394Joined: 30 Sep 2002, 13:58]

Turkey seems to have figured it out.

By "figured out" you mean the following ?

BBC 25 February 2010:

" Twenty military officers have been formally charged in Turkey with attempting to overthrow the government.....

The army has regarded itself as the guardian of a secular Turkish state. It has overthrown or forced the resignation of four governments since 1960 - the last time in 1997"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8531486.stm

[Posts: 2096Joined: 21 Feb 2007, 15:53]

What a load of [expletive]....

Which part?

It’s difficult to know where to start Ian. It’s also difficult to take seriously anybody that believes “There is no longer any difference between Tory and Labour they are all Marxists” but I’m willing to give it a go, so perhaps we can start with you giving us an exact definition of ‘Indigenous People';

# How will they be identified?
# What rights over and above others will they have?
# Will non-indigenous people have to be identified in someway, perhaps by wearing a little star or something?

Also

# What % of the UK population is currently Muslim?
# What % of all immigrants into the UK in the last five years have been Muslim?
# At what rate per year would Muslim immigration/conversion be required for the UK to become a majority Muslim country by 2040, as you claim it will be?

[Posts: 40Joined: 05 Feb 2010, 13:35]

My word...

I knew it was a load of rubbish you were spouting anyway, but referring to Labour and the Tories as Marxists...?

Thanks for making me laugh on a Monday morning anyway!

[Posts: 494Joined: 29 Sep 2009, 23:37Location: Manchester]

Wow, this is the first time I ever described Labour as fascists without being laughed at or suffering a volley of abuse.