Diary of Anne Frank

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

I know I will get cut to shreds for this but I will say it anyway.

By way of disclaimer my favourite film is Klimov's "Come & See" and I am extremely well versed in the history of Nazi atrocities in WW2 and the Holocaust.

However, is it appropriate for the BBC to air the Diary of Anne Frank at 7pm immediately following news items which currently depict the brutal and systematic slaughter of women and children under the flag of Israel?

Of course it is not deliberate but it would not be difficult for a young muslim to watch this and conclude that it is a deliberate attempt to subliminally numb the blow of the current Israeli atrocities by saying "we had it far worse during the war yuou know....".

There will be no end to the Arab-Israeli conflict until the muslim world can genuinely believe that the west do not support atrocities commited under the Star of David. Why is what we are seeing today in Gaza, in greater Lebanon two years ago, and in Shatila and Sabra 26 years ago any different from what happened in Halabja? So where is the regime change crusade in Tel Aviv? Where are the war crime tribunals for Sharon and his cohorts?

[Posts: 2448Joined: 02 Jul 2007, 17:14Location: Edinburgh]

Q. What's brown and hides in an attic?

A. The Diarrhoea of Anne Frank.



I'll probably get filleted now too.

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

Q. What's brown and hides in an attic?

A. The Diarrhoea of Anne Frank.



I'll probably get filleted now too.

That is VERY funny GH. You should not be "fileted" for it. Comedy should never be used to beat anyone up. Usually the most extreme comedians are the most liberal and peace loving people going - Shadowitz springs to mind. That sort of comedy actually brings the blatant hypocrisy we are having to put up with now to the fore. Well said mate!

[Posts: 1555Joined: 03 Jan 2004, 19:43Location: north west]

Per Firefox...
"...but it would not be difficult for a young muslim to watch this and conclude that it is a deliberate attempt to subliminally numb the blow of the current Israeli atrocities by saying "we had it far worse during the war you know."
Oy vey! They'd have to be pretty dumb to imagine such a thing, but I accept there may be some gullible enough to believe it. However, that's not a good enough reason not to air the programme. The sensitivities of the gullible is not a good enough reason to censor a programme which to most rational minds had no intention whatsoever of trying to evoke any kind of emotion regarding the current conflict in Gaza. If they're daft enough to think this was the aim of the programme then they'd probably believe any conspiracy theory re. the Jews/Israel however ludicrous, that was put forward.
Perhaps there are some Israelis/Jews who feel that Godolphin / and the Maktoums involvement in the British turf is just a covert method of Muslims to gain the ear and thus the sympathy of the Queen and other British big-wigs. Ludiicrous, but hey, a nutcase is a nutcase, regardless of religion (or perhaps because of it?).

[Posts: 3330Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 22:56Location: Milton Keynes]

and what about the slaughter of Israeli women and children by Hammas - but of course that is different isn't it?

Just as a matter of interest how much time have you actually spent in Israel / West Bank / Gaza - or do you just rely on the media, who you seem to scorn at every opportunity elsewhere, for the "facts".

[Posts: 6067Joined: 28 Sep 2003, 14:54Location: Twickenham]

I think you put that all very mildy Paul....

the idea that the BBC is pro israeli is laughable as anyone that has heard Bowens ramblings and editorial well knows.

I find the idea that the story of Anne frank should have been "pulled" so as not to upset muslims offensive in the extreme. Not only that, Israel's right to stop two years of constant attack being compared with the Nazi concentartion camps ridiculous. Will not comment further but there is a whiff about the original post which is best explained by asking since when was Anne Frank an israeli anyway?
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and the programme would have been schelduled months ago of course, so paranoia would be misplaced....

Of course, if her ethnic origin offends muslims and certain other people...then there is no question that that should be taken into consideration. That would of course be pure racism

Certainly not going to get dragged into this distasteful thread (expected better Grashopper....)

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

As I said, I knew I would get slagged.

Paul, I notice you conveniently ignore my references to previous atrocities. Lets just focus on the "excuse" of a few WW2 Stalin Organ firecrackers every now and again to justify the full might of battalions of Merkevas and F16's?

Its all relative.

In the mid-1970s the British military could have sent Helicopter gunships and tanks down into Dublin. I am sure people would have justified that due to the terrorist attacks on British citites. Did we? No. So why do the Israelies?

Clive, I know you have a problem with Muslim extremist terrosrism. So do I. I know you hate terrosrism. So do I.

However where I think we differ is that I always look for the cause of the terrorism in order to source the solution. I am not saying you do not. Terrorisim is F**king sick, and nasty and horrid. But often the states we live in need to look at themselves to find the solution.

Evil begets evil.

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

and what about the slaughter of Israeli women and children by Hammas - but of course that is different isn't it?

Just as a matter of interest how much time have you actually spent in Israel / West Bank / Gaza - or do you just rely on the media, who you seem to scorn at every opportunity elsewhere, for the "facts".

Oh sorry, one of (not my best) mates is a Lebanese Christian. He and I met on a train over a can of coke on a train from Milan to Zagreb when I was inter-railing in 1988. As we shared that coke he told me of the spectacular scenery we were watching "this is similar to my country...". I enquired as to what country that was. He told me Lebanon. I felt like crying, given the time in history it was.

We have been firm friends since, and needless to say the events of 2 years ago sickened us to the pits of our stomach. Oh, and yes, I did have the pleasure of visiting Beirut, courtesy of my friend's hospitality, in 1998. A more optimistive vibe you would never wish to feel-a more depressing realisation you could not imagine in 2006.

Slag me off, please, you are welcome, but I express my feelings based on what I have experienced. I respect you and Clives as being different - of course I do. I do not want another spat.

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

and the programme would have been schelduled months ago of course, so paranoia would be misplaced....

I understand the current military campaign has been 5 months in the making. It is this fact which lead to my post.

As I said at the start I do not want to upset anyone. However I am simply trying to understand what a muslim (potemtial) radical migh think. For the record I am catholic.

[Posts: 6067Joined: 28 Sep 2003, 14:54Location: Twickenham]

In the mid-1970s the British military could have sent Helicopter gunships and tanks down into Dublin. I am sure people would have justified that due to the terrorist attacks on British citites. Did we? No. So why do the Israelies?

Thats pretty obvious. The IRA was not running dublin and the Irish goverment was not launching missiles at England from sites in Ireland

:roll

[Posts: 6067Joined: 28 Sep 2003, 14:54Location: Twickenham]

However I am simply trying to understand what a muslim (potemtial) radical migh think

what they thing is that Jews (espcially) and christians are "pigs and dogs" who should not inhabit this world and should be "eradicated"

with that driving their thinking, there is nothing we can do, other than killing ourselves, that would ever satisfy them

their is a cigarette paper between their beliefs and those of the very extreme edges (and i mean the very extreme edge..if it even exists to that degree) of white supremacists. I do not give a moments consideration to their feelings either

[Posts: 2466Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 11:38]

We had to study Anne Frank's diary at school - all those years ago. Just thought I'd mention that.

I'm am also fascinated by the holocaust and the Nazi atrocities.

We should never forget.

Anyone seen Shoah, a nine hour documentary film about the Holocaust. Rivetting viewing, if a bit sore on the old bum.

[Posts: 4619Joined: 07 Oct 2002, 11:50Location: Scotland]

To be fair clive, the British had to go in and talk to the IRA terrorists in prison to sort out the civil war in NI.

Isreal and the US won't even recognise Hamas, even though they have been elected.

I think neither side want proper peace and neither side want to compromise over anything. I reckon they make perfect neighbours.

[Posts: 365Joined: 07 Aug 2008, 23:38Location: Charleston, WV]

Craig's tasteless joke of the day....

Did you hear about the new condensed version of the Diary of Anne Frank?

They have reduced it to one line:

"She's in the attic...!"

Craig

[Posts: 1239Joined: 14 Apr 2008, 19:29]

The IRA was not running dublin and the Irish goverment was not launching missiles at England from sites in Ireland

:roll

That is irrelevant. Terrorism is terrorism is it not? How many civilian men women and children died at the hands of the British government during the "troubles"?

How many men women and children and children died at the hands of the Irgun?

How many men women and children were slaughtered by the Hussein regime?

Equally how many men women and children were slaughtered by the Kurds?

If you despise "terrosrism", as I do, then please try and be equal handed.