Islamic radicals 'infiltrate' the Labour Party

[Posts: 1555Joined: 03 Jan 2004, 19:43Location: north west]

Pompete, perhaps the issue here regarding percentages is something like "what percentage of new Labour members in this, that or the other constituency/ward has a hidden agenda (in this case an ideological "extreme"-Muslim agenda.) They may only be a very small percentage of the population in a particular place, but, can be a disproportianate percentage of the members of a party/council/committee.
I'll have to tape the CH4 documentary tonight and watch it when I get the chance to see if it'a real hornets' nest or a storm in a tea-cup. Seems reminiscent though of the troubles the Labour Party had back in the 70's (or was it later?) with extreme left-wing cabals.

[Posts: 2146Joined: 21 Feb 2007, 15:53]

While it is perfectly feasible that some form of ‘Muslim Militant Tendency’ may exist why do you believe it will be anymore successful than Militant Tendency in the 80’s – members of which where all expelled from the Labour Party.

Democracy in the Labour Party is very simple – you tow the party line from the National Executive Committee – or you’re out.

The NEC is made up from:

Parliamentary Labour Party (9 seats) Including Leader & Deputy Leader
European Parliament Labour Party Leader (1 Seat)
Labour Councillors (2 Seats)
Constituency Labour Party (6 Seats)
Young Labour (1 Seat)
Socialist Societies (2 Seat)
Trade Unions (11 Seats)

That’s a lot of positions to fill or subvert without no one noticing

[Posts: 650Joined: 18 May 2009, 14:37]

Unlike militant (who nearly finished the labour party it should be remebered), there is little scope for this infiltration beyond a handful of constituencies. It was a good documentary but it also highlighted that the local labour party were addressing this (which wouldnt have happened under livingstones wing probably)

its abunch of stupid idealists being a nuisance (a sinister one in some cases must be said)

But it has remained extrordinary in many cases, how the left has been so enamoured of the islamist "brothers2 when their views are as socially right wing as you could possibly imagine. But the extremes are always closer to each other than the civilised world and in truth the far left is only defined by its bigotry and what/who its agisnt rather than what its stands for. Lets face it, what little it stands for could only be endorsed by nutters anyway

[Posts: 90Joined: 05 Jan 2010, 15:33]

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[Posts: 3406Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 11:35Location: Doha, Qatar and Co.Clare, Ireland.]

As I've pointed out before my experience of living in the Middle East has led me to the conclusion that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people who have no desire to live under strict sharia law in the UK or elsewhere. Its just the agitators that need to be dealt with toughly, not given free everything (including tolerance) by the good citizens of the UK.

There was a lot of news in the local media this week about an Arab youth survey whose findings were published recently.

Two thousand 18-24 year old Arabs, in 6 countries throughout the region polled on their opinions about some important issues.

The highlight for me includes...

"The single most important priority for young people in the Middle East is living in a democratic country, followed by having quality infrastructure, and access to the best universities: 99 per cent of those interviewed said living in a democracy was either ‘very important’ or ‘somewhat important’."

Makes for an interesting read and a change from the one- track ranting of Rod Liddle and co..

http://www.arabyouthsurvey.com/about.html

[Posts: 650Joined: 18 May 2009, 14:37]

99% want democracy (suspiciously looking like a soviet union "election" result that) and yet China is the major country they most admire

Of course, if they want democracy that much, i would imagine that a large proportion of the survey fully endorsed the recent Iraqi elections and the toppling of Saddam Hussein

either way, the results are probably good news in many ways but (aside from Iran which isnt arabic anyway) do we really see an undercurrent of desire for free elections? Maybe we will in the future and that can only be good

[Posts: 3406Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 11:35Location: Doha, Qatar and Co.Clare, Ireland.]

99% want democracy (suspiciously looking like a soviet union "election" result that) and yet China is the major country they most admire

You need the read the entire survey, Clivex, not just the bits that suit you. France was the most favourable, Germany was equal to China, the US wasn't too far behind either.

http://www.arabyouthsurvey.com/download ... ts2009.pdf

[Posts: 650Joined: 18 May 2009, 14:37]

The growing economic significance of the East, specifically China and India, appears to be influencing the way in which Arab youth regard the international community: In terms of ‘favourability’, China rates higher than Germany, the US and Britain. When it comes to national allies, Arab youth see Saudi Arabia as playing a leading role.

This is what i read. ok?

And that great beacon of democracy and human rights...saudi arabia...well

I suppose that is the old islamic brotherhood thing coming into play.... Thats about the most favourable spin anyone could put on it

[Posts: 3406Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 11:35Location: Doha, Qatar and Co.Clare, Ireland.]

This is what i read. ok?

Not OK. Put down your Spectator, read the entire effing document and edify yourself for once in your life you silly twat.

(Apologies mods...my last reply to an absolute numbskull)

[Posts: 650Joined: 18 May 2009, 14:37]

This is what i read. ok?

Not OK

Well if its not ok to read and quote from one significant line within the document then i am certainly not going to read the document right through...

[Posts: 3406Joined: 14 Mar 2006, 11:35Location: Doha, Qatar and Co.Clare, Ireland.]

Apologies for the insults yesterday Clivex. I'm a bit hot headed at times. As much as you come across as a person I have absoloutly NOTHING in common with, your entitled to your opinions however much I disagree with them.

Clearly any attempt to communicate with you on these matters is an utter waste of time, so I'll leave you to dwell in your considerable ignorance, imo.

[Posts: 650Joined: 18 May 2009, 14:37]

The only opinion i have expressed is that the poll gives a positive indictaion but at the same time, i cannot help thinking that there are very contradictory messages.

Surely admiration for china and saudi is not exactly in tune with a strong desire for democracy?

the message i get from that is that some admire these countries because they are "not western" rather than for any acheivements in the human rights sense. Thats fine, but hardly clear thinking IMO