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Champion Hurdle 2010

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thehorsesmouth

Postby thehorsesmouth on 13 Mar 2010, 19:03

Surelyit's down to the owners moe. Donna's Palm is plenty good enough to run in this and when you can have a horse capable of going close in a Champion Hurdle then why not run?
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Postby moehat on 13 Mar 2010, 19:23

I realise that, and I'll probably have an ew on Donnas Palm [my sort of price] but not a situation I'd like to be in; who'd be a trainer? If the situation does arise I shall be there padoockside to listen to the post race analysis!

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RedRiot

Postby RedRiot on 14 Mar 2010, 00:20

Solwhit barely beat Punjabi (shd) on Solwhits preferred ground, on Good ground I think Punjabi will have far too much for Solwhit.

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Postby DalryBear on 14 Mar 2010, 00:42

Ive a feeling Zaynars gonny storm up the hill and take this.
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Postby Tuffers on 14 Mar 2010, 09:24

I know it's easy to say without giving particulars but I've been reliably informed by someone within the Henderson stable that Binocular is 100% ready to run and there are no doubts whatsoever about him.
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Postby CheltenhamSpecialist on 14 Mar 2010, 10:48

moehat wrote:Would Go Natives stable run a horse against him that could stop them winning £1000,000? Either they think that Go Native hasn't a chance of winning and Donnas Palm has or they think that Donnas Palm is just likely to get a bit of place money.

The stable always rated Donna's Palm more highly rated than Go Native before his (DP)four race loss of form in the second half of last year...see earlier message with fuller explaination/proof etc

Wouldn't like to explain to connections and stable staff why the second string had beaten their first string if I was the trainer. [Although I suppose Paul Nicholls has that dilemma all the time, and could advise].It'll be fascinating to see how both horses run. I hadn't actually realised they were from the same stable.
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Postby Gingertipster on 14 Mar 2010, 11:01

moehat wrote:I realise that, and I'll probably have an ew on Donnas Palm [my sort of price] but not a situation I'd like to be in; who'd be a trainer? If the situation does arise I shall be there padoockside to listen to the post race analysis!


Looks less likely to happen now anyway. Taken a walk out to over 100/1 on the exchanges, was 45/1 just a couple of days ago.
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Postby Gingertipster on 14 Mar 2010, 11:04

Zaynar has drifted recently too, is this solely to do with Andrew Tinkler replacing AP? Or is he may be not going so well as usual at home?
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Postby Fist on 14 Mar 2010, 11:25

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Postby Euro on 14 Mar 2010, 11:35

I get the feeling all the Henderson hurdlers will run stinkers on Tuesday because he's so pre-occupied with his novice chasers. The guy cannot multi-task.

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Postby Gingertipster on 14 Mar 2010, 11:40

No Ebadiyan, Donnas Palm or Muirhead in Champion.

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RedRiot

Postby RedRiot on 14 Mar 2010, 12:34

Zaynar at 10/1 is laughable, I think he will be a near certainty to place at best.

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Postby Gingertipster on 14 Mar 2010, 13:47

With Ebadiyan coming out and if Celestial Halo is not going to lead, where's the pace coming from? Won In The Dark? there is less chance of this turning in to a strongly run race. I've reduced Zaynar's chance because of that and increased Go Native (still make him very poor value) and Starluck.

Has Alan King suffered another drop in form?
Even if they think Solwhit is o.k. what have they to compare? The yard seem out of form anyway. Shame as I'd make him favourite if things were different. Twister has not had a winner since the racing Post Chase, but quite a few placed.

Nicholls, Henderson, Flemming, O'Grady and Meade all seem in good form.

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Go Native 5/1, Khyber Kim 6/1, Celestial Halo 7/1, Punjabi 15/2, Binocular 10/1, Zaynar 10/1, Medermit 10/1, Solwhit 10/1, Starluck 16/1, Jumbo Rio 125/1, Won In The Dark 150/1, Raise Your Heart 2000/1.

Khyber Kim available at 8/1, Celestial Halo 11/1.
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Hard Held

Postby Hard Held on 14 Mar 2010, 14:37

Will be too much of a speed test for Celestial Halo and ground not soft enough for Khyber Kim, plus KK's hold up tactics may not work so well off a moderate pace

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Wilts

Postby Wilts on 14 Mar 2010, 15:38

Hard Held wrote:Will be too much of a speed test for Celestial Halo and ground not soft enough for Khyber Kim, plus KK's hold up tactics may not work so well off a moderate pace


I think Nicholls and Walsh have got enough experience between them to work out the tactics for CH and taking into account the other runners :roll:

Id imagine Ruby will try and take it up from a mile out and see what happens - he won't let CH get caught up in a slow tactical race, so the speed merchants can wait 'til the last few furlongs. He'll try and run the race how he sees fit. Whether CH will be good enough we'll have to wait and see.

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