2000 guineas 2012

[Posts: 2032Joined: 06 Jun 2011, 14:34Location: Bury St Edmunds]

As a 2yo Caspar Netscher got unbalanced going downhill (Epsom, Goodwood and Rowley Mile), if his stamina holds out there's no guarantee he will handle the dip any better than he did in the Middle Park.

[Posts: 182Joined: 01 Mar 2010, 21:33Location: Bristol]

Caspar Netscher e/w for me

[Posts: 433Joined: 02 May 2011, 22:29]

For Everyone who had a go at Joey O'Brien, he did a pretty good job today!!!

[Posts: 1953Joined: 20 Feb 2006, 12:12Location: Bristol]

With the winner likely to tackle further for the remainder of the season, one has to believe that France have the best 3YO milers in Europe this year.

French Fifteen found only Camelot too good, while Hermival is open to any amount of improvement. Dragon Pulse and Dabirsim, both arguably superior, will display their respective credentials in the Poule d'Essai.

A typically cool ride for Joseph and I look forward to seeing Frankel vs Camelot later in the season.

[Posts: 304Joined: 03 Feb 2006, 11:39Location: Chelmsford]

I was very impressed with that. I think Camelot with all that speed breeding on the Dam Sire side and the Quality of French Fifteen's breeding gave us a fair result,

Camelot could well be an English triple crown winner.

[Posts: 19Joined: 16 May 2011, 14:48]

Don't forget Harbour Watch is s'possed to be Hannons best 3 year old miler and he never showed. Chuffed I got on my bike last year and cycled down William Hills for a speculative anti post wager on the then unraced Camelot at 50/1 for the Derby. TBH I was surprised he won today though. Classy horse, jockey and trainer.

[Posts: 1025Joined: 01 Sep 2008, 13:20Location: Liverpool]

It was a great ride indeed from Joseph O'Brien. The winning margin today represents the fine line between being lauded for a cool ride as transpired, or being slated on this forum or elsewhere for being a boy in a man's job.

Today showed that Camelot has plenty of temperament to match his class, but I think he will rank as one of the best 2000 Guineas winners in the last decade by the time his career is over. I doubt it will be over this distance where he builds that reputation, though. That is why he is so exciting!

[Posts: 1861Joined: 25 Jul 2011, 05:04]

Nice ride from JOB but how good a Guineas it was is very difficult to work out. I found it very boring to be honest (no I never lost money I greened up.

Maybe it was the ground or the act they split into 3 Groups but there was nothing in that race that would have me running to back Camelot or the Derby.

There simply has to be better to come.

My old mate Bos is looking forward to Camelot V Frankel but I doubt if Henry will be losing any sleep if AOB decides to take him on

[Posts: 385Joined: 18 Mar 2010, 11:28]

looking through some of the threads and posts regarding the guineas this year, i can in a way understand the ignorance shown towards camelot.

i think the main reason for the knocking of camelot winning the guineas is the fact that people cannot get round the fact that there is a horse in a position of winning the triple crown.

the best horse for a long time - sea the stars. then the aura canford cliffs created until getting binned off by frankel, who has now proved himself as another legend. and of course there is black caviar, who is a legend in her own country, and is on the verge of dominating british racing to become yet another legend.

this has created a buzz in racing, and people can't get over the fact that there are so many good horses at the moment capable of making history.

if BC remains unbeaten this year after running in the uk, she will be considered by some the best sprinter ever. if frankel remains unbeaten some may even argue that he is the best horse there has ever been. but the point i am trying to make is that if camelot wins the triple crown, surely he will top all of this, with barely a fraction of the recognition?

[Posts: 433Joined: 02 May 2011, 22:29]

I think people are forgetting that Camelot defied his midle distance pedigree to win this. He's going to be even better over further (in theory). Has there been another Monjeu G1 winner over a mile?

[Posts: 2439Joined: 08 Sep 2005, 16:31]

Wall Street won a group 1 handicap over a mile at Flemington, Australia, in November 2010.

[Posts: 2439Joined: 08 Sep 2005, 16:31]

Is the dismal lack of post race analysis here a reflection of the race or a reflection of the way this forum has gone?

[Posts: 6533Joined: 21 Oct 2008, 00:37]

Is the dismal lack of post race analysis here a reflection of the race or a reflection of the way this forum has gone?

Thats rich coming from you! I contribute more times to my TV license (3 times a year) than you do on here!