July Cup

[Posts: 1659Joined: 16 Jun 2009, 00:36]

Bated Breath is the right fav for race has best form but to me he has a bit of the Famous Name about him. everytime in a Group one race he just gets beat.On form he win but but i like the look of

DELEGATOR 16/1 Not been out this year which for this horse is a good thing always wins 1st time up and if this is the plan for him i think he will go close.

[Posts: 2032Joined: 06 Jun 2011, 14:34Location: Bury St Edmunds]

Delegator did have a couple of runs in Dubai this year and as you say he won first time out. If he was scrubbed off and is coming back a fresh horse he could run well. It is a race that is often won by horses that stay further.
On last year's renewal he has a bit to find with Bated Breath who has shown improved form since. If the ground comes up soft, the French horses should be taken very seriously.

[Posts: 10785Joined: 10 Feb 2003, 15:43Location: Scotland]

I thought Society Rock was unlucky on Saturday. Lost more ground after bad start than was behind at the finish. If rain continues and he lines up at double fig odds in the July Cup he'll do for me.

[Posts: 3433Joined: 06 Jul 2007, 11:38]

I'd like to see Aidan O'Brien run Excelebration in the July Cup.

I think he could ruffle up the sprinters.

If not, Bated Breath would be my choice.

* Interesting footnote : Owners Jean & John Hislop had intended running Brigadier Gerard in the July Cup; the intention being to take on My Swallow again. However, when My Swallow was pulled out of the race, the Hislops decided against running The Brigadier at Newmarket and waited for Goodwood instead.

[Posts: 2032Joined: 06 Jun 2011, 14:34Location: Bury St Edmunds]

John Hislop states that it was more due to the hard race he had at Ascot on heavy going and wanting to give him sufficient time to recover that they went to the Sussex Stakes.

[Posts: 432Joined: 02 May 2011, 22:29]

Excelebration is still in all the betting for this race, has AOB said anything about him getting the run? I would like to see it myself as the alternativeis being trashed by Frankel again.

[Posts: 571Joined: 27 Jul 2011, 18:11]

Very few tracks drain off as quickly as here. It could rain buckets up to mid-week and still be firm by Saturday with sunny breezy weather. If it does come up soft it will need a horse that gets every inch of the six furlong trip.

If anyone wants an on the spot appraisal of the ground I will happily nip up to the July course and walk it on the morning of the race and report back.

[Posts: 1861Joined: 25 Jul 2011, 05:04]

I'm pretty sure Bated Breath will have recovered from his visit to Royal Ascot but not so sure if the bruise on Roger Charlton's backside will have cleared up yet.

He surely must have kicked himself when he he saw Black Caviiar almost being turned over.

Back at what surely must be his best trip I can't see any danger to him bar bad luck.

Hoof It would have been on the short list had he showed something like his old form last time but he looks one to avoid.Mr Easterby has come up with some cracking plans to land a touch in the past but this doesn't look like one of them.

Strong Suit only beaten 1 home in his last race and didn't fair too well in the USA either. Both were over a mile and while a drop back in trip should help he looked really happy over 7 Furlongs when beating Chachamaidee easily. He could run into a place late on but I doubt if he could actually win in this class at this trip.

Dandy Boy could run well at a big price. Granted this is s teop up from the Wokingham but this horse undoubtedly has a touch of class. Well worth an ew bet if he turns up.

Best wait until the drawn is known and where the speed in the race is likely to be but right now Dandy Boy and Bated Breath are my two against the field

[Posts: 526Joined: 22 Sep 2011, 10:40]

Bated Breath at 3/1 must be the worst value i have seen in a group 1. Not sure but is he only a Group 2 Winner? Not saying he can win but Sepoy at 12/1 has had 13 starts for 10 wins 1 second and 4 Group 1 wins in Australia,he only went off the boil at his last start in oz and didnt do a lot at his only run in Dubai,at his best he is brilliant and was ahead of Hay List as the 2nd best sprinter here,also Ortensia a 3 time group 1 winner here,didnt fire a shot in the Kings Stand but is better than that,so at 10/1 she is value.Group 1 races are for Group 1 horses as a rule and Bated Breath 16 starts and at best a group 2 winner 3/1 = poor value for mine, look elsewhere.

[Posts: 571Joined: 27 Jul 2011, 18:11]

Bated Breath at 3/1 must be the worst value i have seen in a group 1. Not sure but is he only a Group 2 Winner? Not saying he can win but Sepoy at 12/1 has had 13 starts for 10 wins 1 second and 4 Group 1 wins in Australia,he only went off the boil at his last start in oz and didnt do a lot at his only run in Dubai,at his best he is brilliant and was ahead of Hay List as the 2nd best sprinter here,also Ortensia a 3 time group 1 winner here,didnt fire a shot in the Kings Stand but is better than that,so at 10/1 she is value.Group 1 races are for Group 1 horses as a rule and Bated Breath 16 starts and at best a group 2 winner 3/1 = poor value for mine, look elsewhere.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ortensia run again, but, given that the KS is over five furlongs, will she be suited by the stiff six at Headquarters? That last furlong at the July course is a real test.

[Posts: 571Joined: 27 Jul 2011, 18:11]

The hi-light of the July Cup for me is going to be photographing them down at the stalls. I'm really looking forward to it.

[Posts: 526Joined: 22 Sep 2011, 10:40]

Bated Breath at 3/1 must be the worst value i have seen in a group 1. Not sure but is he only a Group 2 Winner? Not saying he can win but Sepoy at 12/1 has had 13 starts for 10 wins 1 second and 4 Group 1 wins in Australia,he only went off the boil at his last start in oz and didnt do a lot at his only run in Dubai,at his best he is brilliant and was ahead of Hay List as the 2nd best sprinter here,also Ortensia a 3 time group 1 winner here,didnt fire a shot in the Kings Stand but is better than that,so at 10/1 she is value.Group 1 races are for Group 1 horses as a rule and Bated Breath 16 starts and at best a group 2 winner 3/1 = poor value for mine, look elsewhere.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ortensia run again, but, given that the KS is over five furlongs, will she be suited by the stiff six at Headquarters? That last furlong at the July course is a real test.

On her last run Hammy you would worry,but her pattern here has been to get a long way back and storm home over 6f and has won group races up to 6 3/4 f here placed in 2 group 1's over 7f and ran a good race in a group 1 mile here.In reports today she galloped at Newmarket and beat her gallop partner by 20lengths! Michael Hills rode her in the gallop and was very impressed apparently.Most would think 5f is short of her best,thats why they bet such a good price in Dubai when she won.

[Posts: 571Joined: 27 Jul 2011, 18:11]

Bated Breath at 3/1 must be the worst value i have seen in a group 1. Not sure but is he only a Group 2 Winner? Not saying he can win but Sepoy at 12/1 has had 13 starts for 10 wins 1 second and 4 Group 1 wins in Australia,he only went off the boil at his last start in oz and didnt do a lot at his only run in Dubai,at his best he is brilliant and was ahead of Hay List as the 2nd best sprinter here,also Ortensia a 3 time group 1 winner here,didnt fire a shot in the Kings Stand but is better than that,so at 10/1 she is value.Group 1 races are for Group 1 horses as a rule and Bated Breath 16 starts and at best a group 2 winner 3/1 = poor value for mine, look elsewhere.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ortensia run again, but, given that the KS is over five furlongs, will she be suited by the stiff six at Headquarters? That last furlong at the July course is a real test.

On her last run Hammy you would worry,but her pattern here has been to get a long way back and storm home over 6f and has won group races up to 6 3/4 f here placed in 2 group 1's over 7f and ran a good race in a group 1 mile here.In reports today she galloped at Newmarket and beat her gallop partner by 20lengths! Michael Hills rode her in the gallop and was very impressed apparently.Most would think 5f is short of her best,thats why they bet such a good price in Dubai when she won.

Thanks JP. Being a bit of a fan of the 'longest traveller' generally I've been considering a little interest in the Aussie horse. It is my kind of price. Following your post I might invest a few pennies on her. Probably a little each way on her and Society Rock. Do you think she has a clear preference for a particular going?