Peter Carberry on Monty's Moon, 5:30 Uttoxeter....

[Posts: 5235Joined: 31 Aug 2007, 23:42Location: derby]

Watched the replay last night to see what had happened. Always thought it was pretty obvious where the winning post was at Uttoxeter, but what was the poat that I saw on the stand side [where he dropped his hands]? Have to say the 'baying mob' sounds like one of the reasons I no longer go to what used to be my favourite course. However, huge sympathy for those that lost money yesterday, it's never happened to me so no idea what it feels like.

[Posts: 1740Joined: 03 Mar 2001, 20:25Location: Barnsley]

I've no problem at all with people booing in these circumstances but I'd draw the line at a "baying mob".

It was obviously a genuine mistake by Carberry but he thoroughly deserves the lengthy ban that's on its way.

As I've pointed out before, at one time a ban wasn't always automatic in these cases. To my cost, Willie Carson eased Cherry Hill down at York in 1984 - Form Book comment: fifth straight, soon hard driven, stayed on to lead inside final furlong, eased close home, caught final stride - and was fined £500 with no ban at all.

[Posts: 4482Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 22:56Location: Milton Keynes]

.....but what was the poat that I saw on the stand side [where he dropped his hands]?

Mo,

They had a divided bend at Uttoxeter yesterday and it was the "C" marker differentiating the two courses.

However, huge sympathy for those that lost money yesterday, it's never happened to me so no idea what it feels like.

It is frustrating but one of the many things that can happen in racing - I think I just muttered "you stupid sod" then was more annoyed when I realised I was going to be stuck at the course longer than I had originally envisaged . . . . why is it nearly always the last race when these things happen?

[Posts: 127Joined: 20 Aug 2008, 12:27]

I wonder of those who think Carberry should be be banned for months also believe that EVERYONE who makes a mistake at work should be suspended without pay for months with no recourse to tribunals etc, etc.

This is overreaction from those who lost a few quid. The horse could have fallen or been brought down, he could have bumped into a better one on the day, no horse is a cert.

I haven't heard from anyone who benefited by this, and there must be some.

I don't think he did a good job that day, far from it, but it was a mistake pure and simple. Willie Twiston Davies made one too, when he asked Baby Run the impossible question at Cheltenham, but nobody wants him banned. I know of many more instances where jockey mistakes have probably cost a race, but nobody wants them banned either

[Posts: 239Joined: 22 Sep 2010, 22:25Location: Dublin]

Not to make an excuse for the mistake but it was his first ride at the race course.

If nothing else perhaps every young jockey riding a race course for the first time will now check where the finish line is and pick out landmarks.

Next time a striker misses an open goal or a goalie lets one through his legs is there going to be a call to have them banned, after all someone has probably just lost some money because of it.

[Posts: 1740Joined: 03 Mar 2001, 20:25Location: Barnsley]

I wonder of those who think Carberry should be be banned for months also believe that EVERYONE who makes a mistake at work should be suspended without pay for months with no recourse to tribunals etc, etc.

It depends on what the mistake is and who makes it. If you're a shelf stacker in a supermarket and you drop a tin of beans then I wouldn't have thought suspension is the answer.

If you're a jockey and you've gone into that career with your eyes open, holding yourself out to the betting public as competent and professional enough to familiarise yourself with the course you're riding on any given day and knowing that thousands of pounds ride upon you getting that right then suspension without pay may well be the answer although it won't be "for months".

We all make mistakes, including at work. If I make one, I'm liable to be sued by my client for negligence. If a jockey makes a mistake, why shouldn't it have serious consequences?

It's the severity of the mistake, cjboy; one error doesn't necessarily equate to another. If Gus's shelf-stacker dents a tin of beans then Asda will survive, but if he puts raw meat next to cooked meat at the deli counter, then he's in serious trouble.

Jockeys are human and will slip up from time to time - as we all do - but there are occasions, like this, when it's simply inexcusable and they're right to be held to account.

[Posts: 1Joined: 02 May 2011, 02:08]

This was quite disgraceful to witness, particularly as PC has done this (dropping his hands before the line) before - you only have to put his name into Google and a similar incident in Ireland pops up.

The point is there is money involved; more so now that people can bet 'in running'. Horse racing without gambling would have few followers. A professional jockey's job is to ride a horse out to the line, not engage in 'grandstanding' to show how smart he is to win narrowly - owners should vote with their feet and give Carberry no rides and the public would not be subjected to this behavior again.

[Posts: 1433Joined: 01 Oct 2007, 01:52Location: Solitary confinement, east London.]

'Freeradical' and 'CJBOY' - if both your efforts at missing the point were firework displays, they'd be good enough to bring the curtain down on our very existence. Or maybe you just use very poor analogies, my learned friends.

[Posts: 1016Joined: 29 Sep 2009, 23:37Location: Manchester]

This was quite disgraceful to witness, particularly as PC has done this (dropping his hands before the line) before - you only have to put his name into Google and a similar incident in Ireland pops up.

The point is there is money involved; more so now that people can bet 'in running'. Horse racing without gambling would have few followers. A professional jockey's job is to ride a horse out to the line, not engage in 'grandstanding' to show how smart he is to win narrowly - owners should vote with their feet and give Carberry no rides and the public would not be subjected to this behavior again.

Absolutely agree. It's definitely an owner's concern what the general public think. No arguments there.

[Posts: 427Joined: 14 Apr 2007, 19:43]

Worse than what he did happens in 60% of races every day,jocks deliberatly stopping horses and very very rarely do they get banned/caught.

Human error 10 day ban more than enough.

[Posts: 1426Joined: 03 Jan 2008, 21:49Location: Lowton,Cheshire]

Just seen the replay and it did look as if he mistook the marker where the rails divide as the winning post.

It looks like a genuine mistake but can understand punters being annoyed at him throwing away the race by thinking he had already won it.

[Posts: 1016Joined: 29 Sep 2009, 23:37Location: Manchester]

Of course, if the horse had had a proper jockey on board, he would've been carrying an extra 5lb. Would he have won it then?

With a claimer, you pays your money & takes your chance.

Serious question: If the other incident was in Ireland, why has he got to go visit the BHA? Is it two incidents in any country?