Frankel Vs Caviar - Can we NOT hear about this ALL year?

[Posts: 557Joined: 01 Oct 2011, 18:53]

There's nothing remotely libelous about stating a fact as reported on mainstream Australian media(i provided the link). The only reason i'll drop any further comments over the proven drugs problem in Australian racing is because people should be able to read about horses without it descending in to tit for tat between posters. One of my comments was in reply to what SBerry said, and he then edited his post. I take absolutely nothing back. Carry on.

[Posts: 526Joined: 22 Sep 2011, 10:40]

There's nothing remotely libelous about stating a fact as reported on mainstream Australian media(i provided the link). The only reason i'll drop any further comments over the proven drugs problem in Australian racing is because people should be able to read about horses without it descending in to tit for tat between posters. One of my comments was in reply to what SBerry said, and he then edited his post. I take absolutely nothing back. Carry on.

Proven drug problems:)Our testing like our prizemoney leaves your racing a long way behind,so you havnt had a positive swab there? You have insinuated quite clearly that Black Caviar is on performance enhancing drugs!!!! GROW UP!

[Posts: 133Joined: 17 Jun 2011, 03:21]

Aussie drug testing in horses, much like like our sectional timing, our sewerage systems, quality of food, overall living standards, daily no of hours of sunshine, our GDP per capita, and almost everything else in life, is well ahead of anything they have set up in the UK.

Logically you'd think better testing = catching more positives?? And inferior testing wouldn't catch the cheats as much?

I think Moody's positive was from contaminated feed.

And guys I don't have any proof for anything I wrote other than it's the truth!

Avagoodweekend Mr Walker!

[Posts: 10795Joined: 10 Feb 2003, 15:43Location: Scotland]

Yer man Moody was on TV here being interviewed this morning (interview recorded last week I think). He's about as tetchy as the Aussies we have on here!! He talks a good fight though so fair play to him.

[Posts: 88Joined: 02 Jul 2011, 16:17]

It thought we'd already established that the depth of distance horses is better in uk and depth of sprinters is better here? Please excuse if im off track as I didn't read all of page 3 but is anyone arguing that? If so then.......immediate UPPERCUT!!

No, correction. You've got the better depth of sprinters, we've got the better depth of distance horses, and milers, and 10 furlongs horses and classic distance horses, and hurdlers, and chasers... Uppercut parried, countered with a right hook.

[Posts: 133Joined: 17 Jun 2011, 03:21]

It thought we'd already established that the depth of distance horses is better in uk and depth of sprinters is better here? Please excuse if im off track as I didn't read all of page 3 but is anyone arguing that? If so then.......immediate UPPERCUT!!

No, correction. You've got the better depth of sprinters, we've got the better depth of distance horses, and milers, and 10 furlongs horses and classic distance horses, and hurdlers, and chasers... Uppercut parried, countered with a right hook.

Umm.....you need to better define 'we'.......because didn't So You Think beat all the UK's best middle distance gallopers over there last season?

Unless by 'we' you mean France, Germany, UAE....Isle of Crete, stone the crows, strewth cobber, Spain Italy, Gibraltar, I don't know where else can you claim as 'we'? The entire northern hemisphere outside of north america maybe?

If we just narrow it down to the UK then I'd suggest the best sprinter is no doubt Aussie, best miler probably UK, best middle distance probably Aussie, best classic distance possibly UK but no idea who that would be maybe you could shed more light (and no Danedream is not a UK horse), best hurdlers I got no idea probably UK but it's only a very small section of our industry/season and Aussie hurdlers have gone pretty good when travelling internationally over the last decade or so...and chasers? Buggered if I know I thought chasers and hurdlers were the same thing. Pass me the aeroguard mate!

Ha ha all in good fun Seabird.

I just hope Black Caviar turns up and shows you her very best over there. Would be a major embarassment if she went over and got beaten by your supposed inferior sprinters!

[Posts: 526Joined: 22 Sep 2011, 10:40]

Yer man Moody was on TV here being interviewed this morning (interview recorded last week I think). He's about as tetchy as the Aussies we have on here!! He talks a good fight though so fair play to him.

No mate,you have it all wrong.You see if you want to have a free hit at an Aussie horse or trainer expect a response! It is all good bagging the horses or people,but put the shoe on the other foot and your lot get tetchy

[Posts: 557Joined: 01 Oct 2011, 18:53]

JollyP why are you taking what i said and reversing it. I said it is the Ozzys who get bitchy when you criticise anything of theirs in the sporting world. I noticed how you never commented on Gai Waterhouse. How does the racing authoritiy work over there. Is the discipline committee made up of people who debate over a barbecue and a pack of castlemains XXXX. "Never mind Gai Sheila, just pop round for a barbie this salvo and we will forget all about it mate". You seriously don't think fining a trainer $10,000 for having a horse on cocaine, then subsequently fining her $15,000 for having a horse on anbolic steroids raises a few suspicious eye brows ? the benefits on cheating is having a horse that could win big money, and the detterent is what, a $10,000 fine ?...who cares if Moody is overweight. He may look about as dangerous as one of Alf stewarts bananas, but being big and having no hair doesn't make you tough. I get a feeling you're one of these wee men who think anyone above 5"6 is tough.

[Posts: 88Joined: 02 Jul 2011, 16:17]

It thought we'd already established that the depth of distance horses is better in uk and depth of sprinters is better here? Please excuse if im off track as I didn't read all of page 3 but is anyone arguing that? If so then.......immediate UPPERCUT!!

No, correction. You've got the better depth of sprinters, we've got the better depth of distance horses, and milers, and 10 furlongs horses and classic distance horses, and hurdlers, and chasers... Uppercut parried, countered with a right hook.

Umm.....you need to better define 'we'.......because didn't So You Think beat all the UK's best middle distance gallopers over there last season?

Unless by 'we' you mean France, Germany, UAE....Isle of Crete, stone the crows, strewth cobber, Spain Italy, Gibraltar, I don't know where else can you claim as 'we'? The entire northern hemisphere outside of north america maybe?

If we just narrow it down to the UK then I'd suggest the best sprinter is no doubt Aussie, best miler probably UK, best middle distance probably Aussie, best classic distance possibly UK but no idea who that would be maybe you could shed more light (and no Danedream is not a UK horse), best hurdlers I got no idea probably UK but it's only a very small section of our industry/season and Aussie hurdlers have gone pretty good when travelling internationally over the last decade or so...and chasers? Buggered if I know I thought chasers and hurdlers were the same thing. Pass me the aeroguard mate!

Ha ha all in good fun Seabird.

I just hope Black Caviar turns up and shows you her very best over there. Would be a major embarassment if she went over and got beaten by your supposed inferior sprinters!

It doesn't matter who's the best horse at each distance, does it? I thought in your original post you were talking about depth of horses, not the best individual horse. There's always a rare champion popping out somewhere here and then like Danedream or Ribot, but that doesn't mean Germany and Italy have a better depth of classic distance horses than the UK, Ireland and France. I just don't see how anyone can deny the fact that the UK has a better depth of milers, middle distance, classic distance, stayers, hurder and chaser than down -under, irrespective of how good you are with sprinters.

I find it also ironic how you think that the best sprinter is "no down" Aussie, but the best miler only "probably" UK, haha. As for hurdlers and chasers, to put it simply the latter jump larger rigid fences (eg Kauto Star), while hurdlers jump far smaller obstacles (Big Bucks). And, the best middle distance horse atm as much as I know is considered to be Cirrus Des Aigles not So You Think, and either SYT is New-Zealand bred and Irish trained, so much about the whole talk of narrowing it down to the UK.

[Posts: 433Joined: 02 May 2011, 22:29]

Wow things are getting a bit tense here! As one of the lucky few to have both Australian and UK (Scottish) citizenship I would to offer my opinion from somewhere in between the bias of being from either.

I think it prudent to accept that both Black Caviar and Frankel have their merits. Black Caviar's run in the Newmarket Handicap off a heavy weight was very impressive, but she did look a bit laboured against Hay List last time and has been dropped down to run against fillies ever since. Frankel's performances last term were exceptionally good, but I have to admit there are still a few remaining doubts about the opposition he faced. Yes he beat Canford Cliffs, but I always thought that horse was overhyped by his trainer/jockey and Frankel never met Goldikova in her prime.

Neither of these two animals will ever race, because their specialities are over different distances.

In terms of which country has the better depth of horses there does seem to be a trend that Australian sprinters excel in the UK and average middle distance horses excel in Australia. Starspangledbanner and My Kingdom of Fife a case in point.

As for the drugs problems, can we not just thank the Lord neither Australia nor the UK is in the position of America?!

[Posts: 557Joined: 01 Oct 2011, 18:53]

I don't feel remotely tense. I asked a couple of questions and that's about it. I wasn't on the wind up either. I think sports should be about natural athleticism. I also think the Americans need to stop the use of lasix, which i think will be on its way out soon enough. It's the same as other sports. it's widespread in boxing, baseball, basketaball and American football amongst others. To me it cheapens the sports, but again, the people involved don't care if it makes them money. It's also annoying for some fans or admirers of certain sports. How great can someone be if they're taking performance enhancers ?...i also wonder which music artists have written classic songs whilst not being as high as a kite, and should it effect peoples perceptions of them ?...or maybe people like me need to chill and just accept that it's a part of things ?